I guess this is why some people hate track backs – it’s like a conversation of interlinked blog articles! Ah well.
I’ll start off with my thoughts from Carl’s entry.
I like most of his entry, and maybe there’s some truth in what he says about my “apology” at the start of it. However I read it like a warning rather than an apology, I at no point said “sorry” or the like for writing it, I merely wanted to inform people what the article was about before I launched into it.
Then, the main thing I want to comment on is this sentence:
“The problem arises when these people don’t appreciate that others don’t *have* to agree with them.”
Isn’t this a bit nonsensical? I mean, what he’s saying is that everyone should agree that we don’t have to agree. This, I see, is the biggest flaw in the post-modern view of the world — that it is, in fact, self–contradictory.
Another common one is saying “We must tolerate all people” but then when you did further into it, there is a hidden addition of “except those who are intolerant”. It’s a self-defeating argument and not even circular logic (of which Christians are somewhat understandably criticised, but that’s another issue, which I might go into if I’m in the mood in a bit). If everyone were tolerant, then there would be just be true anyway.
So I guess I’m the one “pointing out how [your] views are, in some way, ‘wrong'”. For being so predictable, I do apologise. :o) But of course, we don’t all have to agree on the fact that it’s OK to disagree, so this shouldn’t be a problem.
Now, onto Matthews entry…
The core of this article — that we are all broken — is very much at the centre of Christianity and our need for God. Interesting to see that Paganism also recognises this, but I guess any religion/faith that looks at the world around them must notice that it’s pretty broken.
Matthew’s comments on the feelings we have during an encounter with “God or Gods”, slightly worry me. I guess for me I’ve always seen it as a wholly spiritual thing that has physical symptoms, not a purely physical thing down to someone tickling the right part of my brain. One of the worries that comes from this (that applies to myself as much as to Matthew and to everyone) is how do we know that our buttons are being pressed by something good? I don’t know the pagan position on evil spirits and stuff, but if they have the ability to stimulate our lobes as well, then we could be walking on dangerous ground. I’m sure I had other stuff to say but then this happened…
Interestingly I’ve just had a couple of Jehovah’s witnesses come round, they agree on the brokenness thing too.
So now I’ve lost my track… ah well, that’ll do for now.